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I just got home and got a piece of mail that says Raymond MacKay voted in the Democratic Presidential Primary in January.

What the heck was he thinking? The mail piece infers that he voted for Obama or Clinton. This is disturbing. I voted for him on Tuesday, but I am re-thinking my choice. Raymond's mail states that he is a lifelong Republican. Lifelong Republicans don't vote for Democrats, especially when we had a contested Presidential Primary the week before.

Here's what I want to know, did Raymond MacKay actually vote in the democratic primary? If he did, why?

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Rush Limbaugh told him to?

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you must be referring to "Operation Chaos". That little trick by Limbaugh was thought up well after McCain had the republican nomination sewn up. If I am not mistaken it started in May.

This mail piece said MacKay voted for Obama or Hillary in January. A week after the republican primary.

So what made Raymond MacKay vote democrat? Why Obama or Hillary? Will he vote for them in November?

This is a legit question. Maybe he needs to confirm or deny voting in the democratic primary or at least qualify why he did it, if he did.

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Who sent out that piece of mail? Did it come from the Waldrop campaign or from one of those infamous groups for responsible whatever? That would tell me whether to give that particular piece any credence. How do they know? Do they have the polling sign in sheet? Just wondering. Sounds like campaign scare tactics to me.

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What's the big deal if he did? I'm a Democrat and have voted in GOP primaries. I voted for the person I'd like to see in a general election.

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130 posts

Good question, Merrymacsc. The piece said "paid for by Bob Waldrep, 116 W. Whitner street, Anderson, SC"

So, I guess it is Bob Waldrep, and not some bogus group.

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Merrymacsc,

Does it not bother you that someone who declared himself a "democrat" suddenly becomes a "republican". It bothers me. But I think we need proof, either by Mr. MacKays admission or proof from the Waldrep campaign.

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Even Strom Thurmond was a Democrat at one time.
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Isn't he dead? He also had an illegitimate black daughter, that he refused to recognize. He was a segregationist and a racist.

I don't really think he is a good example.

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Yankeefan, yes, Strom Thurmond had an illegitimate daughter, but he DID NOT refuse to recognize her. He even put her through college (S.C. State.) What he DIDN'T do is acknowledge publicly that he had an illegitimate daughter, although, might I add, it wasn't the best-kept secret on the face of the planet.

And, yes, he was a segregationist at one time, and probably a stereotyplical racist. But by the time of his death, he had changed. Like Sen. Robert Byrd of West Virginia, who was actually at one time a membership recruiter for the KKK, men change. You need to judge them by what is ultimately in their hearts and the TOTALITY of their work, not just is what on their public records from a half century ago.

At least one of our founding fathers (Thomas Jefferson) also reportedly fathered a child out of wedlock (does the name Sally Hemmings ring any bells?), Benjamin Franklin was a sexist playboy DAWG. They all accepted slavery, although some of them did express reservations about it.

Strom Thurmond did a lot for the State of South Carolina over the years, and while many would like to point to the U.S. Senate as the driving force behind the end of institutionalize segregation in the fact of strong opposition from SOUTHERN Democrats, Sen. Brooke of Massachusets actually became the first African-American U.S Senator since Reconstruction only in the late 1960s or early 1970s. (In case you missed it, he was the one who was fooling around with Barbara Walters, as she admitted in her recent book.) And when it came time for those massive race riots many so feared, they took place not in places like Atlanta and Birmingham, but in places like Boston, and Detroit, and Los Angeles.

Judge Sen. Thurmond by the totality of his life and his accomplishments, please, just as you would judge former Sen. Fritz Hollings, who has always been a Southern Conservative Democrat. Hollings, you know, was the Governor of South Carolina who put that Confederate Battle Flag above the State House in the early 1960s anyway. He was also a segregationist, but he grew, and he changed, and he accepted.

It was a different time, and it is both both difficult and unfair to judge mid-20th Century political figures through 21st Century eyes. And for Republicans who used to be Southern Democrats, Strom Thurmond is a very good example.

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Thank you JD.  What has SC come to where even today's R's will disparage Strom Thurmond.  Who's next Ronald Reagan?????Surprised
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Sounds like desperation by Waldrep. I'd try to change the subject too if I were him. The voters of his "progressive" district are getting ready to send him into well deserved retirement with a swift kick in the a-- on June 24th. Bob the former Democrat turned Republican is quite the chameleon. Not only did Bob get elected as a Democrat and then switch parties while in office, he more recently got elected as a progressive in a progressive County Council district then allied himself with Cindy Wilson, Rick Driver and the anti-progressive crowd. You can't trust Bob Waldrep.

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I asked the question, because I knew the answer. Strom Thurmond didn't change overnight or within a matter of a couple of weeks. But it seems that Raymond MacKay did. If Mr. MacKay is a democrat, why not man-up and run as a democrat?

I also asked those pointed questions to Merrymacsc, because she's crazy if she thinks she can compare Raymond MacKay to Strom Thurmond. Ms. MacAbee is a little misguided right now, hopefully she will find her way soon.

I voted for MacKay the first time, but this mail piece if true, and I am not sure how to prove it, will change my vote to Bob Waldrep.

I hope Mr. MacKay will come on this blog and deny or admit he did this. I think it is an important question going into the run-off.

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I think how somebody offering for County Council votes for President is just completely irrelevant to this race. Perhaps John Edwards is his cousin. Who gives crap? Somebody can be a lifelong Republican and have convictions about a particular candidate running for President. The Presidential primary is a one person one shot deal. I'd much prefer to have a candidate who votes his convictions than a prisoner to a party label. Better stick to the issues Bob. Or better still, just concede. In two years on Council you have proven that you can't be trusted.

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how could anyone possibly know and state as a fact how somebody voted? just askin'

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flash...meet john cleese.

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Nick, you can't find out exactly WHO somebody voted for, but for a few hundred bucks you can buy a list from the state of all those who voted in REPUBLICAN primaries and DEMOCRAT primaries during any given election. And you can find out which registered voters actually voted and which ones didn't. It's public information, although it's not free.Wink
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That's true. And I have seen plenty of copies of the lists and people switch back and forth all the time. Just last week plenty of die hard democrates voted republican because they wanted a voice in the sherrifs race. Who knows why Mackay did it or even if it's true at this point, I'm sure he had a valid reason if he did. And even though I have seen the lists while working on various campaigns, the whole thing of having to declare party in this state to vote in the primary bothers me anyhow. Isn't our vote supposed to be private? If I am not mistaken we are one of the only states to require it.

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If this is true (and I'm sure it is if it was put out by Waldrep because he is a man of integrity), then this is very troubling. How could someone vote for a liberal Democrat for President in January and run in a Republican primary in June? The Southern Democrat comparison doesn't work because Obama, Clinton, and even Edwards have much more liberal views than most elected Democrats in South Carolina. If I didn't already think MacKay was not a fiscal conservative, then him voting for a liberal national Democrat would lead me to think that. It's up to the voters of District 1, though. If they want a conservative Republican, they should vote for Waldrep, and if they want a liberal, they should vote for MacKay.

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Maybe he wanted to help the Republpuke candidate face the lagging Democrap candidate rather than Obama bin Laden....

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